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  Is Annihilation of the Unrepentant Wicked Justice?

  by Ding in

  1. watchtower
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  we all understand the justice argument against hell: the idea that god might decide that a wicked person's sins merit everlasting conscious punishment offends our sense of justice.. do even hitler's sins merit never-ending conscious punishment for all eternity?.

  we know that the wtbts takes an annihilationist view of the "everlasting" punishment described by the bible.. they teach that there is no separate "soul" or "spirit" that survives physical death and that the ultimate fate of the unrepentant wicked is annihilation by jehovah.. let's assume for the sake of argument that they are right.. is this justice?.

  over the years, the wtbts has flip-flopped on whether or not these wicked people will be resurrected for purposes of judgment or whether they simply will remain dead with no hope of any sort of resurrection.. let's look at various possibilities.

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  Deputy Dog

  DD......it's easy to square it up with annihilation when you compare it to what Matt 10:28 says.

  That argues in my favor. If death is simply the end or annihilation, why fear hell? Take your WT glasses off and THINK ABOUT IT.
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  Is Annihilation of the Unrepentant Wicked Justice?

  by Ding in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  we all understand the justice argument against hell: the idea that god might decide that a wicked person's sins merit everlasting conscious punishment offends our sense of justice.. do even hitler's sins merit never-ending conscious punishment for all eternity?.

  we know that the wtbts takes an annihilationist view of the "everlasting" punishment described by the bible.. they teach that there is no separate "soul" or "spirit" that survives physical death and that the ultimate fate of the unrepentant wicked is annihilation by jehovah.. let's assume for the sake of argument that they are right.. is this justice?.

  over the years, the wtbts has flip-flopped on whether or not these wicked people will be resurrected for purposes of judgment or whether they simply will remain dead with no hope of any sort of resurrection.. let's look at various possibilities.

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  Deputy Dog

  Ding

  Your need to believe in afterlife punishment says something about you.

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  That sword swings both ways.

  I believe it says I deserve hell.
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  Is Annihilation of the Unrepentant Wicked Justice?

  by Ding in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  we all understand the justice argument against hell: the idea that god might decide that a wicked person's sins merit everlasting conscious punishment offends our sense of justice.. do even hitler's sins merit never-ending conscious punishment for all eternity?.

  we know that the wtbts takes an annihilationist view of the "everlasting" punishment described by the bible.. they teach that there is no separate "soul" or "spirit" that survives physical death and that the ultimate fate of the unrepentant wicked is annihilation by jehovah.. let's assume for the sake of argument that they are right.. is this justice?.

  over the years, the wtbts has flip-flopped on whether or not these wicked people will be resurrected for purposes of judgment or whether they simply will remain dead with no hope of any sort of resurrection.. let's look at various possibilities.

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  Deputy Dog

  How does anyone square up "Annihilation" with:

  Luk 12:4

  "I say to you, My friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body and after that have no more that they can do. 5"But I will warn you whom to fear: fear the One who, after He has killed, has authority to cast into hell; yes, I tell you, fear Him!

  If simple physical death is the worse thing that can happen?
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  Is Annihilation of the Unrepentant Wicked Justice?

  by Ding in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  we all understand the justice argument against hell: the idea that god might decide that a wicked person's sins merit everlasting conscious punishment offends our sense of justice.. do even hitler's sins merit never-ending conscious punishment for all eternity?.

  we know that the wtbts takes an annihilationist view of the "everlasting" punishment described by the bible.. they teach that there is no separate "soul" or "spirit" that survives physical death and that the ultimate fate of the unrepentant wicked is annihilation by jehovah.. let's assume for the sake of argument that they are right.. is this justice?.

  over the years, the wtbts has flip-flopped on whether or not these wicked people will be resurrected for purposes of judgment or whether they simply will remain dead with no hope of any sort of resurrection.. let's look at various possibilities.

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  Deputy Dog

  Ding

  For those who believe that God exists, what do you think of the original topic in the thread: Would annihilation of the unrepentant wicked be justice?

  You used the word "Unrepentant". What does that mean to you? Most people today see it as meaning simply NOT SORRY.
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  (For Christians) Why should Muslims question the Koran?

  by SweetBabyCheezits in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm wondering about this hypothetical scenario:.

  suppose..... a young muslim (non-radical/moderate) in a middle-eastern country has no access to the bible or any form of christianityhe's keenly aware of other non-christian faiths and the loyal adherents of those faithsaside from a blind faith in the koran (and, in turn, allah) he is an intelligent and logical thinkerhe doesn't see any flaws in his reasoning, no matter how illogical it may seem to outsidersokay, now based on the above suppositions..... what kind of introspective thinking might lead him to identify his own flawed reasoning so that he eventually realizes the koran is not a revelation of god?

  is such a thing possible?

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  Deputy Dog

  DanaBug

  But it's still just a matter of where you were born and what you came into contact with during your life, something an individual has little control over.

  Where you are born has NOTHING to do with it. There are some in my family who are not saved, at least as of today (I don't know the future). If God wants to save a Muslim he does and He has saved many.

  But maybe I'm overlooking something here.

  Rom 9:16

  So then it does not dependon the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy.
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  (For Christians) Why should Muslims question the Koran?

  by SweetBabyCheezits in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm wondering about this hypothetical scenario:.

  suppose..... a young muslim (non-radical/moderate) in a middle-eastern country has no access to the bible or any form of christianityhe's keenly aware of other non-christian faiths and the loyal adherents of those faithsaside from a blind faith in the koran (and, in turn, allah) he is an intelligent and logical thinkerhe doesn't see any flaws in his reasoning, no matter how illogical it may seem to outsidersokay, now based on the above suppositions..... what kind of introspective thinking might lead him to identify his own flawed reasoning so that he eventually realizes the koran is not a revelation of god?

  is such a thing possible?

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  Deputy Dog

  leavingwt

  Is this correct?

  If I understand your question. Yes.
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  (For Christians) Why should Muslims question the Koran?

  by SweetBabyCheezits in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm wondering about this hypothetical scenario:.

  suppose..... a young muslim (non-radical/moderate) in a middle-eastern country has no access to the bible or any form of christianityhe's keenly aware of other non-christian faiths and the loyal adherents of those faithsaside from a blind faith in the koran (and, in turn, allah) he is an intelligent and logical thinkerhe doesn't see any flaws in his reasoning, no matter how illogical it may seem to outsidersokay, now based on the above suppositions..... what kind of introspective thinking might lead him to identify his own flawed reasoning so that he eventually realizes the koran is not a revelation of god?

  is such a thing possible?

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  Deputy Dog

  leavingwt

  First, because of no choices/actions that I've done, God must choose me, giving me faith, right? Then, if he does this, isn't the Holy Spirit irrepressible, meaning I will not be able to resist it?

  I'm not sure I understand your question. The Holy Spirit is God.
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  Is Annihilation of the Unrepentant Wicked Justice?

  by Ding in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  we all understand the justice argument against hell: the idea that god might decide that a wicked person's sins merit everlasting conscious punishment offends our sense of justice.. do even hitler's sins merit never-ending conscious punishment for all eternity?.

  we know that the wtbts takes an annihilationist view of the "everlasting" punishment described by the bible.. they teach that there is no separate "soul" or "spirit" that survives physical death and that the ultimate fate of the unrepentant wicked is annihilation by jehovah.. let's assume for the sake of argument that they are right.. is this justice?.

  over the years, the wtbts has flip-flopped on whether or not these wicked people will be resurrected for purposes of judgment or whether they simply will remain dead with no hope of any sort of resurrection.. let's look at various possibilities.

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  Deputy Dog

  Ding

  Assuming a person's sins merit less than hell (everlasting conscious punishment), his sins merit a finite punishment.

  Even Hitler's.

  6,000,000 years maybe -- one year of conscious suffering for every person he murdered.

  Or perhaps 1,000 years for every person he murdered.

  Whatever God decides.

  You're also "assuming" that the person stops sinning in hell.
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  (For Christians) Why should Muslims question the Koran?

  by SweetBabyCheezits in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm wondering about this hypothetical scenario:.

  suppose..... a young muslim (non-radical/moderate) in a middle-eastern country has no access to the bible or any form of christianityhe's keenly aware of other non-christian faiths and the loyal adherents of those faithsaside from a blind faith in the koran (and, in turn, allah) he is an intelligent and logical thinkerhe doesn't see any flaws in his reasoning, no matter how illogical it may seem to outsidersokay, now based on the above suppositions..... what kind of introspective thinking might lead him to identify his own flawed reasoning so that he eventually realizes the koran is not a revelation of god?

  is such a thing possible?

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  Deputy Dog

  I also find it fascinating that Christians believe some are condemned by God before they are born.

  What makes you think it's just "some" who are condemned?

  What's amazing, is that God chooses to save some before He created the world.
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  (For Christians) Why should Muslims question the Koran?

  by SweetBabyCheezits in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm wondering about this hypothetical scenario:.

  suppose..... a young muslim (non-radical/moderate) in a middle-eastern country has no access to the bible or any form of christianityhe's keenly aware of other non-christian faiths and the loyal adherents of those faithsaside from a blind faith in the koran (and, in turn, allah) he is an intelligent and logical thinkerhe doesn't see any flaws in his reasoning, no matter how illogical it may seem to outsidersokay, now based on the above suppositions..... what kind of introspective thinking might lead him to identify his own flawed reasoning so that he eventually realizes the koran is not a revelation of god?

  is such a thing possible?

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  Deputy Dog

  leavingwt

  IF I was concerned, would I have a CHOICE? You've used the word "options", which suggests that I have a choice.

  Men are faced with "choices" every day. The bible is clear when dealing with the choices of believers. If you're truly a believer, you will ask God for mercy and he promises to deliver.

  The point is that "faith" or belief is a gift from God, because it drives you to Christ.